这一情况最终还是发生了。“sweet baby rays”烧烤酱爱好者、Meta首席执行官马克·扎克伯格和著名的“Horse Dewormer”超级播客粉丝乔·罗根(Joe Rogan)之间的聊天让全社会受益匪浅。
他们聚在一起聊了近三个小时,讨论模拟理论,如何不喜欢妻子在工作时和他们交谈(真实情况)、虚拟现实,以及介于两者之间的一切(如果你把谈论技术的本质和激光投影仪算为一切的话)。
除了听扎克伯格谈论自己如何热爱柔术,罗根还听扎克伯格谈论自己对未来工作的思考,以及他的元宇宙如何在远程工作时代改变游戏规则。扎克伯格说,他认为柔术在沉浸式虚拟现实中可能很难实现,但远程工作不会。
扎克伯格说:“想象一下,如果你不必为了获得所有的经济机会而搬到某个与你价值观不符的城市,那将是多么棒的事情。”扎克伯格几乎睁大了眼睛强调道。
“所以在未来,你可以使用增强现实、虚拟现实和在早上通过瞬间移动到达办公室,并以全息图的形式出现,我认为这将是非常美好的,对吧?它将为很多人带来许多经济机会。” 扎克伯格在谈到增强现实和虚拟现实时继续说道。的确,非常美好。
虽然有人谈论远程工作者无法获得办公室员工可能获得的同等机会,但扎克伯格似乎暗示,在未来,你不需要搬到硅谷从事科技工作,你可以以全息图的方式出现进行工作。他似乎还暗指了自上世纪90年代以来爆发的著名的美国“文化战争”,在这场战争中,大城市的进步人士和农村地区的保守人士之间的分歧越来越大。
扎克伯格问自己,这个计划会和面对面工作一样好吗?“可能不会。”他回答道。但这将使人们不必为了工作而搬迁。远程工作者已经体验到了前所未有的行动自由,尤其是在科技领域,越来越多的人搬到其他国家,刺激了当地经济。
他补充说,借助虚拟现实,“你能做的事情越来越多。今天,带来变革的领域是游戏或闲逛,在接下来的几年里,它将是工作。”最终的目标是什么?“希望实现的情形是你能瞬间移动,以全息图的形式出现进行远程工作,而且你能住在任何你想要住的地方,无论家人住在哪里,你都可以和家人住在一起。但只要能在任何地方出现就好。”
但这并不意味着扎克伯格希望他所有的员工现在都完全远程办公。
罗根和扎克伯格认为远程办公很棒,但也不是非常理想
用扎克伯格的话来说,这一切可能“非常棒”,但罗根一直是魔鬼拥护者,他反驳说,商业地产所有者可能不会同意。
罗根谈到全息图和瞬间移动时说:“这将是个问题。”“没人想要工作。”他补充说,然后澄清说没人愿意到办公室工作。“人们不想去办公室。”
扎克伯格表示,Meta“非常倾向于远程工作”,并表示有些类型的工程实际上可以通过远程工作完成得更好。扎克伯格解释说,毕竟,流程被打断了。他还说,他喜欢在夏威夷远程工作时不用通勤,也喜欢在那里培养新爱好。
扎克伯格说:“减少通勤时间是最大化提高效率的方式之一,但能够在不同的地方生活也很好。”
这位新近爱上冲浪的兄弟继续说:“我之前在夏威夷待了很长时间,我真的很喜欢冲浪和水翼艇。我每天早上起来冲浪,让自己神清气爽,然后去参加一整天的会议。这显然不是我在帕洛阿尔托能做到的。”
罗根指出,如今许多人更愿意居家办公,摆脱通勤(在纽约和旧金山这样的大城市,通勤是出了名的麻烦)将有助于消除压力。
扎克伯格反驳道:“让人们能够进行远程工作实际上对很多事情都非常有帮助,但我认为我们需要协调一致。”所以不是完整的全息图,或者这还不到时候。如果你愿意的话,我们可以先设立一个混合办公室。
扎克伯格说自己和罗根有着共同的习惯,然后解释说,他们都认为在会议前后和“休闲休息时间”聊一聊很重要。罗根对此表示赞同:“无论如何,人们仍会渴望现实世界的体验。”谈到他自己的单口相声和虚拟喜剧节目实验,他说同处一个房间是“乐趣的一部分”。
但罗根表示,他可以想象科技发展到这样的程度,你可以拥有一个虚拟喜剧俱乐部,里面挤满了戴着耳机的人。这非常美好。(财富中文网)
译者:中慧言-王芳
这一情况最终还是发生了。“sweet baby rays”烧烤酱爱好者、Meta首席执行官马克·扎克伯格和著名的“Horse Dewormer”超级播客粉丝乔·罗根(Joe Rogan)之间的聊天让全社会受益匪浅。
他们聚在一起聊了近三个小时,讨论模拟理论,如何不喜欢妻子在工作时和他们交谈(真实情况)、虚拟现实,以及介于两者之间的一切(如果你把谈论技术的本质和激光投影仪算为一切的话)。
除了听扎克伯格谈论自己如何热爱柔术,罗根还听扎克伯格谈论自己对未来工作的思考,以及他的元宇宙如何在远程工作时代改变游戏规则。扎克伯格说,他认为柔术在沉浸式虚拟现实中可能很难实现,但远程工作不会。
扎克伯格说:“想象一下,如果你不必为了获得所有的经济机会而搬到某个与你价值观不符的城市,那将是多么棒的事情。”扎克伯格几乎睁大了眼睛强调道。
“所以在未来,你可以使用增强现实、虚拟现实和在早上通过瞬间移动到达办公室,并以全息图的形式出现,我认为这将是非常美好的,对吧?它将为很多人带来许多经济机会。” 扎克伯格在谈到增强现实和虚拟现实时继续说道。的确,非常美好。
虽然有人谈论远程工作者无法获得办公室员工可能获得的同等机会,但扎克伯格似乎暗示,在未来,你不需要搬到硅谷从事科技工作,你可以以全息图的方式出现进行工作。他似乎还暗指了自上世纪90年代以来爆发的著名的美国“文化战争”,在这场战争中,大城市的进步人士和农村地区的保守人士之间的分歧越来越大。
扎克伯格问自己,这个计划会和面对面工作一样好吗?“可能不会。”他回答道。但这将使人们不必为了工作而搬迁。远程工作者已经体验到了前所未有的行动自由,尤其是在科技领域,越来越多的人搬到其他国家,刺激了当地经济。
他补充说,借助虚拟现实,“你能做的事情越来越多。今天,带来变革的领域是游戏或闲逛,在接下来的几年里,它将是工作。”最终的目标是什么?“希望实现的情形是你能瞬间移动,以全息图的形式出现进行远程工作,而且你能住在任何你想要住的地方,无论家人住在哪里,你都可以和家人住在一起。但只要能在任何地方出现就好。”
但这并不意味着扎克伯格希望他所有的员工现在都完全远程办公。
罗根和扎克伯格认为远程办公很棒,但也不是非常理想
用扎克伯格的话来说,这一切可能“非常棒”,但罗根一直是魔鬼拥护者,他反驳说,商业地产所有者可能不会同意。
罗根谈到全息图和瞬间移动时说:“这将是个问题。”“没人想要工作。”他补充说,然后澄清说没人愿意到办公室工作。“人们不想去办公室。”
扎克伯格表示,Meta“非常倾向于远程工作”,并表示有些类型的工程实际上可以通过远程工作完成得更好。扎克伯格解释说,毕竟,流程被打断了。他还说,他喜欢在夏威夷远程工作时不用通勤,也喜欢在那里培养新爱好。
扎克伯格说:“减少通勤时间是最大化提高效率的方式之一,但能够在不同的地方生活也很好。”
这位新近爱上冲浪的兄弟继续说:“我之前在夏威夷待了很长时间,我真的很喜欢冲浪和水翼艇。我每天早上起来冲浪,让自己神清气爽,然后去参加一整天的会议。这显然不是我在帕洛阿尔托能做到的。”
罗根指出,如今许多人更愿意居家办公,摆脱通勤(在纽约和旧金山这样的大城市,通勤是出了名的麻烦)将有助于消除压力。
扎克伯格反驳道:“让人们能够进行远程工作实际上对很多事情都非常有帮助,但我认为我们需要协调一致。”所以不是完整的全息图,或者这还不到时候。如果你愿意的话,我们可以先设立一个混合办公室。
扎克伯格说自己和罗根有着共同的习惯,然后解释说,他们都认为在会议前后和“休闲休息时间”聊一聊很重要。罗根对此表示赞同:“无论如何,人们仍会渴望现实世界的体验。”谈到他自己的单口相声和虚拟喜剧节目实验,他说同处一个房间是“乐趣的一部分”。
但罗根表示,他可以想象科技发展到这样的程度,你可以拥有一个虚拟喜剧俱乐部,里面挤满了戴着耳机的人。这非常美好。(财富中文网)
译者:中慧言-王芳
It finally happened. Society has been gifted a chat between the lover of “sweet baby rays,” Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg, and the famous fan of “Horse Dewormer” mega-podcaster Joe Rogan. It’s the price the company paid for not having ballads from Joni and Neil.
The boys got together for almost three hours to talk about simulation theory, how they don’t like when their wives talk to them while working (really), virtual reality, and everything in between (if you count talking about the nature of technology and laser projectors as everything).
Besides listening to how the Zuck loves jujitsu, Rogan heard Zuckerberg’s musings on the future of work—and how his metaverse could be a game-changer in the remote work era. Zuckerberg said he thinks that jujitsu might be hard in immersive virtual reality, but working remotely won’t be.
“Imagine if you didn’t have to move to some city that didn’t have your values in order to be able to get all the economic opportunities, that would be awesome,” Zuckerberg says, almost opening his eyes wide for emphasis.
“So in the future where you can use AR, VR, and teleport in the morning to the office and show up as a hologram, I think that’s going to be pretty sweet, right? It will unlock a lot of economic opportunity, for a lot of people,” continues Zuckerberg, referring to augmented and virtual reality. Sweet, indeed.
While there has been some chat about remote workers not getting the same access to opportunities that those in the office might receive, Zuckerberg seems to suggest that in the future, you won’t need to move to Silicon Valley to work in tech, you can just be a hologram instead. He also seemed to allude to the famous American “culture wars” that have raged since the 1990s, where progressives in large cities and conservatives in rural areas have splintered ever farther apart from each other.
Zuckerberg asks himself, is this plan ever going to be as good as in-person work? “Probably not,” he responds. But it will free people up from having to relocate in order to work. Already, remote workers are experiencing a freedom of movement that wasn’t awarded before, as especially in the tech world they are increasingly moving to other countries and stimulating local economies.
He adds that with virtual reality, “you’ll just be able to do more and more. Today, it’s gaming or hanging out and over the next few years it will be working.” What’s the end goal here? “Hopefully you’ll just be able to teleport in and basically show up as a hologram and work remotely and live wherever you want, be with your family wherever they live. But just be able to show up in whatever place.”
But that doesn’t mean Zuckerberg wants all of his employees to go completely remote now.
Rogan and Zuckerberg on remote work being awesome but also not
In Zuckerberg’s words, all this could “be pretty awesome” but Rogan, ever the devil’s advocate, countered that commercial real estate owners likely won’t agree.
“It’s going to be a problem,” Rogan said about holograms and teleportation. “No one’s going to want to work,” he added, before clarifying that no one will want to show up to the office physically. “They’re not going to want to go to the office.”
Zuckerberg said Meta is “pretty forward-leaning on remote work” and said there are types of engineering you can actually do better when not in the office. The flow gets interrupted, after all, explains Zuckerberg. He also said he enjoyed the lack of commute while he was working remotely in Kawaii, and the new hobbies he took up there.
“Reducing the commute has been one of the biggest efficiencies, but also being able to live in different place has been nice,” say Zuckerberg.
The newfound surfer bro continued. “I spent a lot of time down in Kawaii earlier on, and I got really into surfing and hydrofoiling. And I just wake up in the morning and do that and just be really refreshed and go do my full day of meetings. Which is obviously not something I could do in Palo Alto.”
Rogan points out that many would rather do their work from home these days, and getting rid of the commute (famously gnarly in big cities such as New York and San Francisco) would help eliminate stress.
Zuckerberg pushed back. “Having people be able to work remotely is actually pretty useful for a lot of things, but I think we’ll need to find this mix.” So not full holograms, then, or not yet. A hybrid office, if you will.
Appealing to his shared humanity with Rogan, Zuckerberg explained that catching up before and after a meeting and “casual downtime moments” are important. Rogan agreed: “People are still going to crave real-world experiences no matter what.” Referring to his own stand-up comedy and experiments with virtual comedy shows, he said being in the same room is “ part of the fun.”
But Rogan said he can envision technology catching up to the extent that you could have a virtual comedy club full of people wearing headsets. Sweet.